who are we?

topic posted Tue, May 24, 2005 - 1:01 AM by  solar
so i was looking through the faces of those in this tribe. many of you sneaked(snuck?) in the back door. i'm delighted to see such a mix of people and balance of gender. it is inspirational. if you feel so inclined, please introduce yourselves. you can use as many labels as you like. and you can tell us whatever you like. or you can just say hi and we'll click on your face and extract our own assumptions. ;)

so...hi. i'm solar. for whatever reason, i have always been comfortable with my sexuality. i do not take that comfort for granted. i'm in love with everyone. and i really appreciate you being here.
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  • Re: who are we?

    Tue, May 24, 2005 - 2:49 PM
    I didn't want to seem overeager as someone new to the tribe; but then I figured, "what the heck." Here's my 2 cents:

    Since becoming energy-aware, I've found myself "falling in love all over the place."

    When I saw the words, "Love Without Labels," I figured that this a tribe I should belong to.

    I'm hoping that by observing and participating in this tribe, I will be able to figure out how to develop future relationships in ways that are faithful both to the expectations of the person(s) with which I become involved and to the energies with which I am now intimately involved.

    Howzzat?
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      Tue, May 24, 2005 - 3:15 PM
      >Howzzat?

      this thread is a welcome mat, not a panel.
      so it was perfect as is.
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        Tue, May 24, 2005 - 9:46 PM
        Gee thanks. I wasn't sure if I was on the right vibe here. :)

        LOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVE

        :)

        [and p.s., I like the Taarna pic ;) ]
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          Wed, May 25, 2005 - 10:05 AM
          Hi. I'm one who "snuck in the back door" and I haven't posted here yet at all....

          Personally, I am a big opponent of useless labels... I prefer to remember that we are all human, and love- regardless to whom it is directed- is a positive and wonderful thing. I tend to get emotionally worked up when others claim that someone's love towards another person is "wrong".... how can love be a bad thing? I just don't get it. And that is why I'm here.
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            Wed, May 25, 2005 - 10:16 AM
            amen to that.

            I have a question but I'll pull it out into another thread....
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              Fri, May 27, 2005 - 11:16 AM
              I'm just open to giving ang getting real love... regardless of any label....
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                Sat, May 28, 2005 - 4:52 AM
                Good Morning! I am not a fan of labels. It seems to me that as soon as someone labels your love you suddenly have expectations upon you. I look forward to a society when we can stand as whole complete individuals and not put attachments on words relating to relationship (or anything for that matter). I look forward to being able to love my friends, the people I date, or my husband with all of my heart and not be expected for it to look or behave a certain way.

                By the way, I am a bisexual poly chic; thus the dating and the husband. *wink* NOW there are some labels I've had to deal with for a lifetime! But I love ME and I don't expect that Ill change to prove that love to myself…heehee!!
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                  Re: who are we?

                  Sat, May 28, 2005 - 11:46 AM
                  Hi, new tribe member...

                  I was struck by the title 'Love Without Labels' because I think that all too often, when people are negotiating a relationship, there seems to be a prerequisite to love... a definition of it... i.e. 'Boyfriend', 'Girlfriend', 'Friend', whatever. Personally, I think that labels of this nature distract from just CARING about the pther person. BUT on the other hand, it seems that those definitions do come in handy when trying to negotiate other aspects of the relationship such as whether or not it will a monogamous or polygamous situation. Personally, if I feel that the other person is a 'boyfriend' or a 'lover' than there should be a level of monogamous committment that we have between us. But what do I know, I'm young and still learning.
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            Wed, July 27, 2005 - 12:04 PM
            I also snuck in, and for me this site "love without labels" says it all, I have been growing for sometime know spiritualy speaking.
            I find it diffacult to understand societies thinking in putting people in a neat little box and then labeling it. We are all individuals and like Mel Gibson states in the movie "The man without a face", if this is all you see, then you don't see me". To me that sums it all up, I am not straight, Bi, or Gay, I am. I have never had a loving relationship with another man, that doesn't mean I wont either.
            I agree with something that "Mehlika" said in an earlier in this thread How can a positive love be wrong ? I find it sad on my part that it took me so long in my life to realize that.
            Namaste to All
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      Thu, January 10, 2008 - 1:51 PM
      SAM SAM!! How are you beautiful man... how I miss you so.... say Hi to A for me too... BIG giant yummy hugs....


      ohhh Hi! I'm Bare, usually, and YES! that is a label... along with partnered for life with my very best friend and mate, Bi (ick! I detest that word) mother, grandmother, Lover of life,

      lets see, how many labels could I actually use here... probably far too many to really matter, or perhaps far too many that *I* become lost in the clutter of labels....

      I prefer to LOVE without labels..... and it's wonderful to see so many here and especially wonderful to see Sam......

      Bare
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        Thu, January 10, 2008 - 1:53 PM
        Ahahhahah hahahhahah!!! had I paid ANY attention to the dates I would have seen this is an OLD thread, so, you can see, how much I truly pay any attention to LABELS....

        Hahahah!!! well, hello anyway..... and welcome.....

        Bare
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    Sat, May 28, 2005 - 4:13 PM
    Heya.... (name's Robert, by the way)

    As much as there were things about the movie "Chasing Amy" that I didn't care for, one of the scenes that I did love was the scene in which Joey Lauren Adams' character explains to Ben Affleck's character the reason why she re-opened the door to a man after a long time of being exclusively with women. If you've seen it, you know, but for those that haven't, in short her explanation was that the reason she was open to women in the first place was the thought of 'why automatically cut my options for love in half by being limited only to men'.....she used the same logic vice versa in her explanation for being with him.....

    I've thought a lot about that recently. First, to be clear, I don't necessarily have a problem with certain labels. If it works for someone, then by all means, use them. It's more the expectations that can sometimes come with those labels that bother me. But that's just me. Every person and circumstance is different, and as long as I can live and believe as I please, I just assume allow others to do the same; I'm not a very "politically correct" person, but I try and be a respectful one...That said, I've come to a point on my own path that is starting to feel like it's beyond labels......

    Aaaanyway....

    I've lived the last decade or so as a man who has been involved with other men. This hasn't really changed, but I'm finding the parameters of my attractions haven't so much changed but have definitely broadened. Women seem to catch my eye lately more than they have in a long time. I've always preferred 'queer' to 'gay' because I felt like the ambiguity in it resonated a lot better with me. This has never been more true. 'Gay' just doesn't cut it, and 'bisexual' doesn't either, because it's still not quite accurate......I really don't care at this point......The funny thing is, I'm surprised (thought I shouldn't be) at the reaction I've gotten from some of the people close to me, even the ones who are normally very open-minded individuals or who have supposedly had other label issues in their own lives. It reminds me a lot of when I started to 'come out' a few years ago, only in reverse...

    So this is another kind of 'coming out', I guess, but more of a 'coming IN'.......coming in to the realization of my true self, even if it's that the nature of that is that it's always changing.....

    Cheers to that.
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      Sun, May 29, 2005 - 3:03 PM
      Sounds like most of us don't like labels for the same reason - the expectations attached to them.

      I feel that I can love someone for who they are as a person rather than what gender, color, social rank, or any other "label" they may have "stuck" to them. So this is a safe place to express my feelings regarding love as well as appreciating the thoughts of others who feel the same way.
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        Tue, May 31, 2005 - 10:29 AM
        Hi!
        It's been awhile since Ive posted, but this tribe has been a great place for me.
        I have loved both men and women and feel no preference between the two. At this point in my life I am that person who is confusing to many because of this fact. And Im ok even with that. I hope that the labels that exist now will continue to evolve in a world where labels someday may not be necessary at all. And, I hope that in the meantime we all continue to love regardless.
        Jules
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    Fri, June 3, 2005 - 2:38 PM
    What a refreshing topic- love without labels.

    I've always kindof felt that way, never really claiming one thing or another. I just AM. And I just love who i love, which is usually everyone.

    Sexuality is to me less black and white and more of a grey line of Continuum... there are straight people that are WAAAYYY straight (we know some i'm sure), and there are GAY people who are fabulously flamboyantly gay. there are those that are bi - some that are bi curious - like they would think about it but never would take it up themselves) and so on... there are people outside of this little realm that like pets too much i'm sure... so really I am not into lableing myself along this line of thought. I just do what I do when I do it with whom I do it with. I never really understood why what I choose in the bedroom was of any consern of anyone else besides the partner(s) that I am with.

    I have a feeling that most of you will agree to some extent.

    Its refreshing to be able to read thoughts of likeminded individuals huh? :) Thanx for the venue to express my thoughts (spelled correctly or incorrectly).

    1 luv, t.
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      Thu, June 16, 2005 - 10:11 PM
      Who am I... Thats a tuffie. honestly I don't think its for me to say. I'm so caught up in this wonderful storm of transformative dicisions that is my life that I'd be hard pressed to define much about myself anyway.

      Love is important to me, as is sharing and supporting all who love me .

      And I really dig this tribe :)
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        Sat, June 18, 2005 - 9:37 AM
        quoting Luop:
        "Love is important to me, as is sharing and supporting all who love me"

        That said (so eloquently!!) I find myself wanting more and more not to settle for people in my life who think less of more open relationships.

        I dream in the waking hours of morning to waking in a comfy position between two ppl who really love each other and who really love me (three). I'm open to love, open to freedom, open to expression, and open to choice. Why is that such a hard combination of loves to find in similar people?
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    Fri, June 17, 2005 - 8:00 AM
    Generally I've tried to ignore the labels applied to me by those who want to keep me safely in some little box. I've been lucky and have mostly been able to find friends who disdain labels as well. The worst times in my life have been when I've allowed other people to define me.

    I've never understood why love has to have so many restrictions and why what is between a person's legs is more important than what's between their ears. Why we're supposed to portion out our love like it's a limited resource. It's nice to see so many other people with the same "problems."
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      Fri, June 17, 2005 - 11:20 AM
      I SOOO dig everything I've read in this thread!

      I've been anti-marriage for a long, long time for many of the reasons you have all posted. Ironically, I am engaged now. I am bisexual, and divorced, but engaged to a long time friend of mine. I am leary of marrying I suppose because I don't want people to ever assume I am what the world assumes a "wife" would be. Does that make sense? I am not typical, in my opinion, and I dissagree with the boxes Nikki spoke of in the last post. The boxes terrify me!

      I joined this tribe for all of those reasons. I have always been quick to love, to give love and feel love for people of all walks. Love is never simple, there are so many different realms of love. Yet it seems like so many people try to fight love ... and I don't get that.

      Also, in my experience it has been the most religious of people who understand love the least. How is that possible? I have so many issues with religion because of the labels that get thrown out everywhere, "in God's name" ... it is lame if you ask me.

      Anyway ... that's my story right now.

      :o)
      Love ON!
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        Fri, June 17, 2005 - 12:34 PM
        the only boxes to fear are the ones we put ourselves in......be true to what *you* believe and how you live, don't worry about what assumptions others make; people are always gonna assume this and that- let them. you are who you are.
      • Re: who are we?

        Mon, June 20, 2005 - 8:54 AM
        >> Yet it seems like so many people try to fight love ... and I don't get that.

        Thank you for posting that. It just reminded me of how I feel about the topic -- which is the same as how you expressed it.

        I think I need to put that into action tonight. *smile*

        Thanks again.
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          Fri, July 1, 2005 - 11:11 AM
          I think we get hammered daily with other people's definitions of what love is or should be. We get these definitions from

          Churches trying to sell salvation...
          Advertisers trying to sell products (to make you sexy)....
          Government trying to increase their tax base....
          Family trying to sell you on relationships....

          It can be easy to forget that we need to definte it for ourselves, and not accept what some Madison Avenue marketing weenie thinks.
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    Fri, June 17, 2005 - 12:53 PM
    Aloha,
    That about sums it up for me - ALOHA. I believe, and frequently manifest, love for all. an all pervading spirit of love. i want it to surround me, protect me, and envelop those around me.

    how could i label this? um, polyamorous, bisexual, bi-curious, polycuddly, orgiastic, hmm. some of these fit me at certain times, but don't label me. i have the right to live in the moment and always ride the tao of change!

    with all the wounding we have incurred around these labels, why not just give it a rest? free the blockages, stagnations, blow the phlem out of these silly labels in our heads!

    i do understand that it's our nature to categorize things to try to put our heads around them. for instance, i'm glad my pilot last week labels himself so. as long as we are free to be in the moment and not chained down to words.

    words are so important, so powerful...
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    Fri, July 1, 2005 - 11:01 AM
    Just found this tribe today.

    Saying hello.....
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      Wed, July 6, 2005 - 10:34 AM
      Hello Theo.. How is your love being labeled by the world, (family church, advertisers), around you?
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        Wed, July 6, 2005 - 11:44 AM
        How is my love being labeled by the world?

        Oh, I don't pay too much attention to that. Try not to anyway. It's what I do with it/how I label it that matters, no?
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    Wed, July 6, 2005 - 12:31 PM
    Hey everyone, I'm another newbie I just joined tribe.net, and I found thing group under one of my friends' tribe lists.

    I've spent plenty of the time in the past trying to conclusively label myself, and I've come to be happy with just having things unresolved. Sometimes I feel bi, sometimes totally straight, and every once in a blue moon, totally gay. I'm not "transgendered," but my personal balance of masculinity and femininity shifts around. I'm pretty sure I'm poly, but I haven't technically been in a poly relationship.

    I've been involved with a group called Lovetribe lately, and I've been helping organize snuggle parties, which have been amazing in how they make me feel more connected to humanity and aware of people, empathy, energy, etc.
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    Wed, July 6, 2005 - 12:32 PM
    I snuck in the back door recently :)

    I am a lover of all things. My heart surged with warmth when I found this tribe. After looking at the people in it and reading some of the posts I knew I wouldn't be able to stay away.

    As far as labels I would use for myself .. hmm .. tattooed and pixxxie hair-d animal lover. :-D
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    Wed, July 27, 2005 - 11:24 PM
    Honestly, I'm still just struggling with the 'love isn't sex' and 'sex isn't love' dynamic.

    I swore I'd never get married. Then I met a man that felt the way I did about relationships, and what they should be but never are. We had an 'open' marriage until the day it ended - in part because he no longer wanted it to be open. We had other relationships on and off over our 13 year marriage. It wasn't until about 7 or 8 years into it that I ever even heard the term polyamorous, which I instantly migrated towards, learned as much as I could about, and became involved with the local community.

    After my marraige fell apart, I became 'monogomous' with my OSO. When that fell apart... I started dating but nothing serious. Then I met someone, very straight laced and definitely monogomous... and we've been dating for about five months now.

    Honestly, I don't know if this can work. I care for him, and I love what we have in our relationship but I've found that I'm holding back and ackward in my relationships and friendships outside of ours. I don't like it, not at all. For him it's an issue of sex, for me it's an issue of no boundaries with those you love and care for.

    I have no idea what labels to put on myself. I just believe with all my heart that human beings are creatures of infinite love and restricting that love just seems... unnatural. Wrong.

    *shrugs*

    ~ Felina
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      Sat, July 30, 2005 - 11:03 PM
      "I just believe with all my heart that human beings are creatures of infinite love and restricting that love just seems... unnatural. Wrong."

      Amen sister. My thoughts exactly. :)


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    Thu, July 28, 2005 - 2:12 PM
    I am sarah!
    I like love. love it, in fact.
    I'm sick of having to label myself and fit myself into certain pre-picked categories of sexuality. I'm not straight, but I'm not a lesbian..and I'm not bisexual, because that excludes people between genders or who are genderqueer. I'm female, but I don't always feel completely like a woman -- I'm not transgendered, though.

    I'm just me, and I love, and I expect the people who love me to do so no matter who I love.

    So there!
    • Re: who are we?

      Thu, July 28, 2005 - 3:45 PM
      hey there Sarah!!!

      fancy meeting you here... hehe
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        Thu, July 28, 2005 - 5:44 PM
        why hellooo...
        I think I actually joined this tribe because I saw it on your list..teehee.
        • Re: who are we?

          Sat, July 30, 2005 - 3:45 PM

          I don'y think the label bisexual implies strict gender definitions at all,
          although I can see how it is buying into the dichotomy thing a bit.

          As a (female identifed) bisexual dating someone genderqueer myself, I'd say that
          the/a genderqueer/two spirit vibe somehow satisfies something particular
          in me more powerfully than a strict mon-gender presentation/identity could.
          • Re: who are we?

            Mon, August 1, 2005 - 7:40 PM
            I'm glad you don't think that...I don't really think so myself, but I am reluctant to "define" myself as bisexual, because I don't like people THINKING I am only attracted to strictly male or strictly female people.
            It's silly.